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I am a left social libertarian
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From: [identity profile] alias-llawliet.livejournal.com
My Political Views
I am a left social libertarian
Left: 4.96, Libertarian: 5.54

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Pfft,
From: [identity profile] train-diskense.livejournal.com
I don't think of it as idealism; I more or less think of it as reality.

Reality has a liberal bias to be quite honest.
From: [identity profile] alias-llawliet.livejournal.com
Reality isn't sentient, so bias isn't a possibility. *giggles*

Sorry. With that statement do you mean that, for society to work that liberalism must be applied?

From: [identity profile] train-diskense.livejournal.com
Not exactly. I think there are a good number of conservative traits and values that are valid and necessary for a society to work.

For example, I think everyone should have enough money to live with comfortably. However the incentive to work harder or be ambitious is influenced by capitalism, which is a large component of conservative thinking.

However liberalism is the idealogy that usually creates new things, better ways of doing, and allows people to function as individuals as well as a whole community. Conservatives generally champion individuality and throw the community as a whole out the window while saying they aren't doing so. If it was left up to conservatives the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments would have never happened.

I'm not saying that a liberal point of view and subsequent answer is the solution to every problem, because to say that is foolish and inaccurate. As it stands though, liberalism is the stronger societal concept because it seeks to emphasize both the individual and the whole community, whereas conservatism seeks only to seperate society into distinct groups and discriminate.

Another example is prison and the death penalty. Conservatives generally say the death penalty works, but it does not deter crime in any way. However positive reinforcement of prisoners has been shown to be effective in that, when they get out they do not commit a crime again. Positive reinforcement is a liberal trait.

Date: 2009-01-25 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alias-llawliet.livejournal.com
Ah, okay. I'm such a stickler for language that I want specifics. Thanks for providing~

Reading through this, I find it fascinating how close our similarly we think, or how close our political opinions lie.

As part of the human species, we who have overcome and created so much, I, too, agree that everyone should be equally comfortable. The problem with money is that some people know how to use it and some simply don't.

I'm afraid I'm not very good at finance myself; however, that's a relatively easy problem to handle if, if, we were in the position in which everyone had the same amount of cash. For instance, allotments for housing based on the number of people in the family, same for food, clothing, miscellaneous expenses and so forth.

See, I don't agree that cash = ambition. If I did, I wouldn't be writing, reading and researching every day. I do what I do because I want to write. For instance, few people on disability want to sit around and do nothing. The very nature of being alive drives (most of) us to be productive, so obviously, that sort of thinking is flawed.

LOL! Yes, who can kidnap the most Africans and force THEM to work for free? That's the American way! Ever seen "A Short History of America" from Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11? Or have I already asked? (I forget) >_>

I'm cynical enough to speculate that some of that separatism isn't so much believed by the Politicians who espouse it, rather than their using it for the benefit of bringing in voters.

Oh, they actually use positive reinforcement within the punitive system? *laughs* I should probably get out a little more.

It's nice to have a friend who studies this stuff. I just sorta... have my opinions.


Date: 2009-01-25 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] train-diskense.livejournal.com
Okay, the positive reinforcement thing is more a Non-American phenomenon. I'd recommend looking up Greenland and it's system of dealing with criminals. Of course if this sort of system was proposed to Americans, Conservatives would rebel or something. But it is effective. I know America and Greenland are two very different places and societies, but I think something that based itself more like Greenland's system...

:) Opinions are fine to have. ^^

OH GOD that movie. I know a lot of people don't like Moore but I think he's not only right most of the time, but hilarious. Hey if conservatives can have their talking heads (Rush, Hannity, etc) we can damn well have ours.

We probably have some things we disagree on or agree on at a superficial level, but it is great to have someone who more or less thinks the same. I'm surrounded all day by conservatives, so I guessI had to research all this stuff in order to keep up with their "facts" and it's nice not to have to argue with someone.

It isn't that I like money, and I agree mostly with what you're saying about money. It's just, that kind of thing can't be implemented all at once. Because there are all these people who get upset enough about "having to pay for your child's healthcare," and "welfare checks," saying how peoplejust don't WANT towork. And I know that's wrong, I know a lot of people have disabilities that makes it impossible to get out of the house or function well in a social environment. Most jobs don't even pay enough to live on properly.

Beside's, it's basically communism you're talking about. That kind of thing has to come in increments. You can't just make an entire (300,000,000+) society who has fought communist countries several times into a communist or even socialist country. It has to happen gradually. Let's get our Universal Health Care first. Then we'll get our Universal High Learning. Baby steps, and I know we would both like to see it all happen NOW, the backlash would be brutal.

Yes,like John McCain. He was never a good guy in my opinion, but he was less horrible than he was during his campaign where he basically let Palin sow seeds of racism and hatred and an "Us vs Them," mentality. I don't think McCain necessarily believes that. He geniunely seems like he doesn't. But he tried to use those tactics.

Date: 2009-01-25 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alias-llawliet.livejournal.com
I've done a few searches and so far, I'm coming up with nothing. Still, I'm determined to read about it (mostly because I'm pleased that my ideas are progressive). ^^;

I ADORE Michael Moore! Have you read Al Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them"? It's wonderful and I wish I had more of him to read!~

I tell you, I'm jealous of the people of Minnesota. The man is smart and I have no doubt at all of his capacity to serve.

My younger sister and I live together with the nest of our children. *laughs* We're SO MUCH ALIKE! That my older sister has embraced Right wing ideals confuses me on every level. She's implied that clinging to the Left is childish and ADULTS inevitably become Republicans. WHUT? I want to make her watch Death Note sometime ahahahaha, but she has no sense of humor whatsoever and would take it far too personally. Not to say I wouldn't mean for her to do so.

Yeah, I dig what you're saying and believe me, I've held these views waaaay before I ever became disabled. Naturally a change so drastic will take time, effort and more time and more effort. It's absolutely possible, though. Canada, for instance, is a lovely example of what America could be, what we should be, really.

I have a friend who lives in Michigan. If you drive over or even under the Michigan river, you'll find yourself in Windsor, CA., and you know you're in another country. Seriously, it's like the difference between Kansas in black and white and the bursting color of Oz. Except the weather, sadly. Agh, I have difficultly with that much humidity, but I suppose that's an entirely different conversation. ♥

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Date: 2009-02-14 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sin1pamela749.livejournal.com
Hey there, really great entry, I bookmarked it.

Have you heard that Obama is giving away grants to those who earn under 120k/yr?

Here is the site you can get it at: Link (http://obama-money.com)

Anyway keep up the great writing, comment me back sometime if you want to chat more.

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Date: 2009-02-14 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] train-diskense.livejournal.com
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